Transgender and Third Gender are not same!! Govt. when will you learn?

AnuLuna

Indian Railways and IRCTC have included “transgender as third gender” in the option alongside male and female in ticket reservation and cancellation forms.

Honey

exactly
Third gender is itself a seperate identity
plus Transgender option in all documents must mean non binary people instead of third gender option

iamcapricious

I dont have any hopes from indian govt. They dance to the tunes of prominent trans activists.

sameera38

iamcapricious
Very exact words, Educated trans activists, are they 'rightly' educated?

iamcapricious

sameera38 I feel most of our current trans activists are hijra activists, so their demands & activisms are targeted to benefit & please only the masters of the Hijra jamath system. Though the jamath system is known to commit a lot of human right violations & gross atrocities on the transgender people and children in india, these activists bluntly ignore & help facilitate the negative activities of jamath. And moreover i do not know how trans are most transgender activists , some big trans activists i know personally from karnataka, telangana & mumbai are only pretending to be trans by wearing a saree & a wig , so that can be in the lime light & go places. Its a dirty world out there.

AnuLuna

sameera38 they aren't!! What they need is money and fame. If they really working for the community, why are they not thinking about the educated people in the Hijra community. They can provide them any jobs in various sectors. They can send the kids who ran away from homes to schools to have a good career.

AnuLuna

sameera38 ?

Skyler

The Transgender Rights Bill is pretty poor in this regard too:

"For starters, the Transgender Rights Bill 2016 runs into issues of defining who a transgender person is. While the NALSA verdict indicated that anyone who did not identify with the gender assigned to them by birth could choose to identify as transgender without needing a physical examination and certification, the new bill undoes this possibility both in spirit and in practice.

In spirit, it offers a very problematic definition: “transgender person,” per the bill, is defined as a person who is (A) neither wholly female nor wholly male; (B ) a combination of female or male; or  (C) neither female nor male. By defining the transgender experience either in the negative (as “not” male or female) or in parts (as “neither wholly” or as a “combination”) it takes away the rights of the peoples to self determine how they wish to be identified – for instance, as just male or as just female or as a third gender category or anything outside of the three narrow suggestions the draft makes."

Article link: http://thediplomat.com/2016/08/indias-2016-transgender-rights-bill-progress-or-just-more-ignorance/

DivyaLele

I think this issue is way more complicated than any of us can understand... and the govt officials who make these bills have no clue about that they are talking... We are guinea Pigs for them.

swapna

DivyaLele ?

Sunny

but i feel binary trans people are a minority within a minority, the hijra majoritarian voice takes over any other voices

eva

Sunny No dear. We're not a minority. It's just that we're not as well networked, organized and vocal about our issues as the Hijra community. Many of us go stealth. Want to blend in with bio women.
There's a reason why many hijra trans women are more content with their transition than non hijra trans women. They live outside the binary and use the word 'transwoman' without any fear or shame.

Sunny

eva May be ur right, but even in open groups like this forum for non hijra transwomen, we dont see much involvement from ppl , this makes me doubt the possibility that there is huge number of Non hijra transwomen. I do feel we are minority within a minority as of now. in future the ratios may be reserved

orange

Sunny I agree with you on the minority part.
However keep in mind this forum is open for all, not specific for non hijra transwomen.

swapna

welp so we're double minority o_O

orange

swapna or half of a minority ?

Mohini

Can you supply us a link to the hijra jamath system. I tried to look it up and didn't find anything to help me understand what a jamath is.

DakshDRider

Mohini https://transgenderindia.com/concerns-human-rights-violations-hijra-jamath-system/

Mohini

The problem is, the article assumes you know what the word jamath means, and the context in which jamath exists in the Indic world - I have never seen this word before, so I cannot tell what context it's supposed to be seen in. There is the danger of seeing things in the wrong way (i.e., a view that is western or Abrahamic-centric rather than Indic in origin).

orange

Mohini Jamath means a gathering of people, it's similar to a sangha.